Leading with Listening: Cliff Nellis

“I’ve had to really listen without judgment, really seek to understand.”

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Episode Description

Cliff Nellis, co-founder and CEO of Lawndale Christian Legal Center, joins Kaylee Thomsen to discuss the call that led him from big law to community-based justice. He shares why leaders must listen without judgment, build trust across cultures, and replace punishment with healing. Cliff also reflects on scaling a mission while protecting local relationships—and how restorative justice can change the trajectory of young people’s lives.

Chapters

  • 00:00 Welcome to Leadership Matters
  • 00:45 The bicycle trip that changed Cliff’s calling
  • 06:41 Learning to lead in North Lawndale
  • 10:11 Unlearning, relearning, and suspending judgment
  • 17:26 Discovering restorative justice
  • 19:31 Justice as healing versus punishment
  • 21:10 Turning accountability into repair
  • 24:15 Scaling the mission while protecting local trust
  • 29:54 The personal challenges of this work
  • 34:46 Connect with Lawndale Christian Legal Center

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